(Moderator : Search for recent posts on the use of WBP/water-based perphenazine/perphenazine hydrochloride in springbok and other species) [2022/02/10, 10:22:02] Arnold Olivier: Good morning, HH mix or low opioid combination for springbok darting please? Any other suggestions and tips are also welcome. [2022/02/10, 10:32:54] Hendrik Hansen: Thianil 0.5 - 0.75 mg, + 2 – 3 mg medetomidine, plus azaperone 8 mg [2022/02/10, 10:38:07] Marnus de Jager: Sedation and reversal for transport, Hendrik? 🙏 [2022/02/10, 13:33:35] Andreas Gaugler: 10 mg WBP? [2022/02/10, 13:42:54] Ampie Viljoen: Animals in a camp or open farm? Darting from a helicopter or from the ground? [2022/02/10, 14:20:18] Arnold Olivier: 500 ha camps, helicopter darting [2022/02/10, 14:28:00] Ampie Viljoen: Hendrik’s combination as above. 👍 Haloperidol 0.3 ml ewes and 0.4 ml rams. Good Luck. Springbokkies will keep you busy. Fly with a proper pilot please [2022/02/10, 14:30:28] Alex Lewis: I have found cheapest and safest dose for springbok from helicopter is 1. Net gun 2.netgun 3. Netgun [2022/02/10, 14:30:52] Robert Campbell: How many springbok? If they are used to supplementary feeding, I try to add VTech diazepam maize meal to the feed. This works like a bomb to make darting these jumpy small ones easier. [2022/02/10, 14:43:36] Hendrik Hansen: 👍🏻 Exactly as Ampie has said above. Reverse and give haloperidol. Water-based perphenazine (WBP / perphenazine hydrochloride) may work better, but I have not used it on springbok yet [2022/02/10, 14:59:04] Liam Theuns Smit: Arnold. Springbok respond differently at different places. A Karoo springbok might go down at lower doses. But a 60kg Damara springbok ram will not go down with 0.5 mg Thianil + 2 mg medetomidine + M 30 mg azaperone from a helicopter. I must add that 0.4 ml of haloperidol would work for the same size Kalahari springbok in the Free State and that same size Kalahari springbok would need 0.8 ml haloperidol in the Karoo or Kalahari. I have found that 0.5 mg Thianil + 2 mg medetomidine + 30 azaperone works well for even large springbok from the ground and at that same dose from the helicopter the down time would be about 25min. Survival rate when the down time is that long has always been low. Water-based perphenazine does work, but again a 50-60 kg springbok is going to need 12 mg when we would have used 0.8 ml (16 mg) haloperidol. I have been told stories of large springbok in Namibia needing 4mg Thianil, but this might be untrue. But springbok outside of its natural habitat is extremely cheap to dart. [2022/02/10, 15:04:08] Andreas Gaugler: Totally true. Before HH doses, I did some springbok with 5 mg Thianil [2022/02/10, 15:07:35] Liam Theuns Smit: Andreas. And now? Those same springbok from the helicopter? How long are your down times and how deep do they go? (Deep sleep). And do you reverse the medetomidine sooner? [2022/02/10, 15:11:52] Keith Ross: Try 1.5-2mg Thianil with 1mg xylazine and 10 mg azaperone. Works really well in Karoo springbuck and Damara/Kalahari in the EC. [2022/02/10, 15:13:13] Douw Grobler: I am expecting 👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼 from Johan Kriek 😜 [2022/02/10, 15:18:02] Ean van den Berg: 👍👍I agree [2022/02/10, 15:38:42] Paul Reynolds: What is the maximum amount you can give? And do you then adjust your darting dose, or just not sedate after? [2022/02/10, 16:46:28] Andreas Gaugler: Liam, those were from a helicopter, but before medetomidine usage. Went down in 2 min or under, but I have not lost any due to high Thianil. Some had to be down for 20 min before being loaded on truck. Because of bad terrain, I carried most of them in the helicopter and we flew them back to the truck. Now with HH doses, the 1mg Thianil should work fine. I mostly used 25 mg ketamine in place of azaperone. In addition, I always vaccinated MultivaxPlus because of losses with Pasteurella in springbok [2022/02/10, 17:07:36] Liam Theuns Smit: I agree that losses with high Thianil doses are low, but obviously it’s expensive. On one specific farm, I have tried 1.5 mg Thianil + 2 mg medetomidine + 30 mg azaperone in 2016 from a helicopter. It did not work well. Then two years ago, after the client was informed about the cheap darts that everyone is using, I tried it again. From the ground it worked great. From the helicopter having 5 springbok running around with 3 recovery vehicles doesn't work if they take for ever to go down. These animals are kept under for 2 hours on average. I also started diluting the ketamine with azaperone. [2022/02/10, 17:10:48] Andreas Gaugler: Excessive running costs helicopter time and the animals get exhausted and die.
