Bart Gazendam, [23 Aug 2024 at 10:34:12]: Advice for a dart combination to remove the wire from this bull’s leg? David Pretorius, [23 Aug 2024 at 12:52:20]: Thianil 1 mg + medetomidine 8-10 mg + azaperone 20 mg should work well. Hendrik Hansen, [23 Aug 2024 at 13:01:12]: David. It will work but might be slightly high for certain Boran. I use Thianil 0.5 mg + medetomidine 8 mg - I might wait slightly longer, but will be safe on even the odd sensitive one Gernot Redeker, [23 Aug 2024 at 13:39:14]:1mg/50kg medetomidine and 1mg/25kg butorphanol works like a bomb. You only give 2/3 of the full dose at first, and should be going down after 7-10 min. I do all ruminants with that dose for any treatment. I even did a wild Brahman bull from a helicopter, and we could walk him into a trailer after 7 min. Reverse with Yohimbine/Revazole. Andreas Gaugler, [23 Aug 2024 at 15:50:47]: Gernot, when do you give the rest? Only when needed or when a longer downtime needed? Gernot Redeker, [23 Aug 2024 at 17:06:04]: Normally I do a big bull (800kg) with a 600kg dose. They are laterally recumbent, and you can do anything with them. Even surgery. I only top up if needed. Bart Gazendam, [23 Aug 2024 at 15:55:17]: I darted the bull with 0.5 mg Thianil and 8 mg medetomidine and 10 mg azaperone (No Hyalase). It went down after 6-7 minutes after loudly vocalising (? Never seen that before). Breathing was shocking - very poor. I woke it up after 5 minutes, glad it made it 😅 If you say odd sensitive one, Hendrik what does that mean? Andreas Gaugler, [23 Aug 2024 at 17:13:01]: Thanks. I need to do horns on a cow and too far from a chute and neck clamp. What would withdrawal time be? 150 days?? Richard Burroughs, 23 Aug 2024 In SA, the default will be 90 days Hendrik Hansen, [23 Aug 2024 at 18:27:07]: Bart, even to the odd sensitive one that dosage would be 100% but never include the azaperone in that protocol for cattle It means that some Boran bulls (5%) will be down in 5- 6 mins, but without the azaperone will be fine (90 % down in 10 min) and super stable. 5 % might take up to 25 mins to go down but you will still get to a very acceptable plane of immobilization to do a procedure
