Shaun Beverley, [14 Jun 2024 at 06:36:27]: Morning all, Can anybody assist me with an immobilisation combination for Lord Derby Eland? Semi-captive environment. Richard Burroughs Morning Shaun. The only doses I have seen have been those high opioid doses used in free living situations - 15 mg Thianil + 60-80 A mg azaperone + butorphanol 5-10 mg. Perhaps others can comment. Whatever you do, withhold food and water for at least 36 hrs. The rumen papillae and muscles atrophy very quickly, and you end up with a slushy water bag of rumen content. They start to regurgitate even before they go down, with aspiration pneumonia a likely outcome. Good luck I used doses of 2-6 mg etorphine + azaperone in captivity yonks ago, and the regurgitation and aspiration a profound and unfortunate outcome David Pretorius, [15 Jun 2024 at 10:46:56]: Hi Richard, Shaun, Maybe a slower induction with thiafentanil 1 mg + 15 mg medetomidine + 10 mg azaperone maybe an alternative to an already poor induction on high opioid.. Or butorphanol 30mg with 15mg medetomidine and azaperone.? Richard Burroughs Yes. It really depends on their management in captivity, and specifically food and browse availability. Whatever you do use, you must reduce food and water intake. Richard Harvey, [15 Jun 2024 at 11:31:59 (15 Jun 2024 at 12:25:29)]: Shaun, I’ve used 3mg 50:50 etorphine/Thianil + 8mg medetomidine+ 40mg azaperone + 100-200mg ketamine in quite a few adult free-ranging females and sub-adult males. It was a smooth induction and nice anaesthetic. There was no regurgitation and no withholding of feed/water necessary as they were free ranging. Richard Harvey, [15 Jun 2024 at 12:31:00]: I did use 5-10mg butorphanol on a couple of individuals. It was also by helicopter. So I would pull back on the opioid dose if they are semi-tame. I also tried without ketamine and noticed a marked difference in downtime and smoothness. At least 50mg, ideally 100mg, makes a big difference Shaun Beverley, [15 Jun 2024 at 14:43:48]: Thanks all for the comments. She was worked on using a crush system without needing immobilisation. But thank you for the comments.
